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ROCHESTER, N.H. – Supporters of Mitt Romney wonder when other Republicans will see the light.
John Makely / msnbc.com
Supporters of Mitt Romney turn out for a spaghetti dinner at The Tilton school, Firday, Jan. 6.
The former Massachusetts governor is the most electable Republican versus President Barack Obama this fall, according to his supporters here in New Hampshire. They blame a Republican Party that’s become more ideologically rigid and single-issue voters who scorn the big picture for Romney’s apparent inability to coalesce conservatives behind his campaign, a rift, they worry, that could scuttle the GOP’s chances of retaking the White House in November.
“The one thing you don’t want to do is throw your vote away to somebody who really doesn’t have a good chance in the general,” said Larry Wilson, an undecided voter heading into Tuesday’s primary here who attended a Friday spaghetti dinner hosted by Romney in Tilton. “I just think Romney’s the most electable, in terms of the general election with the perception that he is a little more pragmatic, more moderate, more seasoned.”
Following the NBC News-Facebook debate on Sunday, longtime Romney supporter Martha Haley attended a rally in Rochester, N.H., and said voters need “to look at somebody who’s definitely going to defeat Barack Obama.”
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It’s tension that mirrors an internal struggle that has marked the Republican Party since the 2010 mid-term elections, when conservative and Tea Party primary candidates in House and Senate races bested more establishment-minded candidates who were recruited by the national establishment because of their electability.
Echoes of that battle are now playing out nationally, and Romney is betting that electability is the trump card in his hand in his battle with primary opponents. While national and swing-state polls consistently show Romney faring best against Obama, many of those same polls show Romney struggling to win a basic level of support from the party’s most conservative members – the enthusiastic voters who could help drive him to victory.
John Makely / msnbc.com
Supporters of Mitt Romney turn out for a spaghetti dinner at The Tilton school.
New Hampshire voters who attended Romney events pointed to a variety of potential reasons for candidate’s struggles. They say his wealth, his (Mormon) religion, the media, relatively moderate stances on social issues, and – yes – his reversals on issues have driven doubts for Romney.
“I kind of understand how Romney’s been back and forth on some issues,” said Matt Goodrich, a recent college graduate who’s been substitute teaching while searching for a full-time job, on Friday. “I don’t expect somebody to feel the same way about something their entire political career.”
For Romney fans – and even potential Romney fans – the former Massachusetts governor is being held to an unreasonable standard.
“A lot of people don’t think he’s conservative enough,” said Tom Witham of Meredith, N.H.,“… But if he were conservative as people would like him to be, he wouldn’t be electable.”
Ideology versus electability has become a core issue here in the closing hours before the New Hampshire vote, the nation’s first primary and the second nominating contest of the 2012 cycle following last week’s Iowa caucuses.
"I think what Republicans have to ask is who's most likely in the long run to survive against the kind of billion dollar campaign the Obama team is gonna run," former House Speaker Newt Gingrich said Sunday during the debate. "And I think that a bold Reagan conservative with a very strong economic plan is a lot more likely to succeed in that campaign than a relatively timid Massachusetts moderate who even The Wall Street Journal said had an economy plan so timid it resembled Obama."
Romney has tried to maintain a careful balance throughout the campaign between winning over the conservative primary electorate while maintaining general election viability. And he’s been the beneficiary of a divided field of conservatives vying to become his chief alternative. His 8-vote victory in last week’s Iowa caucus was due, in part, to a split conservative vote. That phenomenon might repeat itself in Jan. 21’s South Carolina primary, a win in which could seal the nomination for the former Massachusetts governor.
Romney’s campaigning has been directed at trying to seal that deal among those skeptical conservatives, an effort that has paid off with some voters here.
“I’m obviously very concerned about the so-called flip-flops, and I want to look at them,” said Northfield’s Linda Stone, who attended the dinner in Tilton. “That’s probably my biggest concern, but he sounded very good tonight. If this is my exposure to him, it would be very positive.”
Of doubters, “I would say come and listen to him,” said Denyse Fortier, a native Canadian who became a U.S. and New Hampshire citizen with her husband, Herm, in the 1970s.
John Makely / msnbc.com
Supporters of Mitt Romney turn out for a spaghetti dinner at The Tilton school.
Denise Fortier came to the event in Tilton to listen to candidate Romney.
"I can’t help the social direction of the country, but for myself, I’m not going to waste my vote on a popularity vote,” said Dennis McElreavy of Lee, N.H., who caught Romney’s exchange with Gingrich in Sunday morning’s debate before heading for the Rochester rally.
Democrats have been mindful of the difficulties Romney has faced in conveying himself as authentic, and they plan to make an issue of it, too, in the general election. The Democratic National Committee gleefully circulates emails under the “Which Mitt?” header, pointing to perceived flip-flops or inconsistencies in Romney’s public record. The attacks are reminiscent of the ones Republicans used against another wealthy and occasionally awkward Massachusetts politician: Democratic Sen. John Kerry during his 2008 presidential campaign.
Romney has also faced accusations of running a campaign directed toward the general election rather than conservative primary voters. But he also seems to be drawing erstwhile Democrats into his candidacy.
A Connecticut businesswoman who drove to Romney’s post-debate appearance at an opera house in Rochester said she voted for Obama in 2008, but thought “Romney’s the best person to beat him, but also the best person for this country.”
But if another Republican were to win the nomination, she said, she might reconsider supporting Obama.
Another registered Democrat, Maureen Farmer, said Friday in Tilton that she would vote for Romney as long as she was reassured that he wouldn’t support giving illegal immigrants access to social services.
A different nominee could alienate Democrats – and, more importantly, independents – crucial to winning a national election, according to supporters of Romney. And that’s what frustrates Wilson, the undecided voter who’s leaning toward Romney, and who urged primary voters to think a little more pragmatically on Tuesday.
“If you’re looking for the guy who is most likely to win the general election, vote for Romney,” he said. “If you strictly want to vote with your conscience … go with who you like, but it’s not necessarily going to accomplish anything.”
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Romney is the most electable GOP candidate. He is however still un-electable.
Romney is now the most electable of the Republican candidates; if no one bolts and runs as a third party, Romney will be the next president. (although with a real collapse on the way, why would anyone want the job)
Never underestimate the resiliency of conservative ignorance. Sound bite politics is not based on common sense. That is what is so scary about this coming election ...
Romney is a 'risk' taker - not a capitalist. Romney's view of the economy is based on winners and losers - on the entitlement of redistributing the wealth of the 'losers' into the pockets of the 'winners'. All based on the roll of a dice at a rigged gaming table. His policy proposals are based on gambling our way to prosperity. Rewarding risk - instead of rewarding work - is a socialist principle. How does investment gambling provide an incentive to WORK?
As a country we need to return to the capitalist principles of rewarding WORK - on the capitalist principles of providing incentives to 'pull oneself up by the bootstraps'. Is rewarding someone for their ten thousand dollar bets really going to grow our economy? How can someone value WORK when they do not engage in the activity?
Romney is a moderate. The Tea Party wing of the GOP will never support him. Romney is a Mormon. The evangelical wing of the GOP will never support him. That's it, in a nutshell, which is why the party cannot coalesce behind him and why President Obama will be re-elected.
Romney will be the nominee, Tim Pawlenty will be his running mate and they will be defeated by Barack Obama and Joe Biden.
Obama/Biden 2012
I can't believe the Republicans think a Bain Capital fat cat is the most electable candidate, following a financial crisis caused by just such fat cats. His company even took a pension fund bailout by the federal government when they decimated the retirement fund meant for steel workers.
You hit the nail right on the head with that one, Nerm! I've been arguing this point for years. Yes, it does take investors to help "start" a business, but once that business takes hold and begins to thrive, it's the product or service that business offers, as well as its workforce that "keeps" the business afloat. I don't consider being a venture capitalist an actual job! It's legalized gambling, as far as I'm concerned. However, you bet on a horse, and that horse wins, you get paid a certain amount as your winnings....no more, no less. With investors who "bet" on upstart businesses, there is no ceiling to the wealth these people may realize from their initial investment. The business flops....the investor may be out his initial investment, and that's all.
Where I have my issue is that there has to be some kind of a reward system to the rank-and-file workers who made these companies profitable to start with. If the righties get their way, all of the profits will be put into the pockets of investors and executives, with the rest going back into the business to upgrade equipment. No money left over for raises for the common employee. But plenty allowed for those fat bonus checks for the CEO who was responsible for exactly "none" of his/her company's success! It's the epitome of corporate greed!
That, quite simply, is one of the best statements I have seen on here in a long time. Well done Nerm.
@Nerm, agreed!
@DA,
Maybe you need to do a bit more research into your own idol in office.
Before you start talking about the right wing and profits to companies, read up on Faulkner, Falcone, GE, or Solyndria.
You president isn't any better than what the republicans have. Money = Greed = Power and they're all guilty of it.
Romney's electabilty is an oxymoron!
AlexM - if you live in this country President Obama is YOUR President too. We all had to stomach Bush when he lied and killed in the name of the US. President Obama is heads above Bush and the entire GOP field. When the GOP decides to walk away from the right wing lunatics, they might find a viable candidate. But as along as their group continues to fall at the feet of a group that hates women, gays, equal rights, the separation of church and state, etc., don't bet the farm on them winning anything but disgust from the majority of Americans. Sadly, Huntsman appears to be a good man and a viable candidate but, since he won't bow down to the fanatics, he doesn't stand a chance.
Romney is the best. He will be our next President. He will be the best of the best. Guaranteed ! There has never been anyone running for president I have been more excited about than Mitt.
Mitt 2012 !!!
The body language in the accompanying photos tells me what the voters think of Romney.
Arms crossed isn't good.
Do you get a tingling in your leg Jari?
@Devil's Advocate-784471 -- A capitalist may need capital - money - to build or expand their business. The source of the capital is irrelevant. A capitalist may need money - that does not mean a capitalist needs investors.
'Investors' have rigged the game so that they are the only ones allowed to be the source of capital. Capitalists needs tools, equipment, and facilities in order to do their work and create real wealth. Our economy does not provide those things to allow a capitalist to work - our economy only provides money. And 'investors' hold a monopoly on providing that money without competition. Why should investors be rewarded simply because they have rigged the game to their advantage?
Romneys voteing record is like a democrats thats why republicans arent all excited about him.
Ron Paul is the only one who is willing to do what is right for the country. Obama just wants to spend,its like he wants to destroy the country.
SeekingSanity, turn the thought police off! Barack Obama is just like George Bush! He has no respect for the United States Constitution.
I just love how the media tells our gullible citizens, who is the most electable. If Romney is the choice, from the Repubs, then get ready for another 4 years of Obama.
Anyone but Obama or Romney in 2012.
Jari, how much does Goldman Sachs pay you, to post such garbage?
john-537378
".....Romney is the most electable GOP candidate. He is however still un-electable. ....."
Says you, John.
We'll see what the electorate says on November 6th.
Jari,
I am not as enthused as you are but a Romney supporter, nevertheless.
I would like a more conservative candidate but Romney is the one who can beat Obama in 2012 and That's good enough for me ! He can get the country back on track.
Mr. Sick, with all your constitutional wisdom, would you please inform the rest of us as to which article of the constitution our president does not respect. And please don't quote from an NRA magazine.
One day he sounds moderate and the next day he swings to the far right, I still have no idea what what Mitt the flip flopper really thinks. All we can do is go on his record which is not good. Gingrich has a point, Obama with a billion dollar campaign is going to chew him up and spit him out. However they would probably do the same to Gingrich, they have to someone with a good solid record and can debate to hope to win.
Nerm, loved your posts on focusing on work! The best post I have seen to date.
Maybe in the minds of the Repubs, they think he is "electable", but out here in the real world, where sane people live, he is not electable, who wants a man whose claim to fame, is killing people's jobs or benefits for corp. profit. The entire population is not nearly as blind, dumb, or stupid as they think we are.
This video by Judge Napolitano sums it up. If You are not awake yet it's tome to wake up please !
Romney is just so boring. Every speech he gives lacks total sincerity. He is just like a robot with someone behind him pulling the strings.
@jari wow your most exciting person is Mitt you along with way to many other americans are what i call "sheeple".You follow the mainstream media's idea of a good president in a mindless flock cause you dont know any better.Well how about you let things go back to how they use to be and get back our constitutional rights and vote for Ron Paul. Romney is a liar and decitefull little liar and flip flops to whatever you want to hear and all the other candidates understand that. So maybe you should do dome research and then decide who is serious and not a liar,Ron Paul 2012.
People who think Romney will be any different than Obama make me laugh... they are basically the same person.
I guess ignorance really is bliss.
Conservatives probably won't back Romney, because he is not a conservative. In many ways, he is more liberal then Obama. I do believe that people can change their views on important issues, but not to the extent that he has. I get the feeling that all of his campaign has been programmed, so that he says what the people in the republican party wants to hear.
Electable in Republican speak = Able to continue the giveaways to the Corporations and the Uber Wealthy. Able to separate the top from the bottom so there is no middle. Able to shift Wealth to the Power Brokers and keep the little people in line.
So it is said, so it was written, so it would be done if ELECTED . . .
"There has never been anyone running for president I have been more excited about than Mitt."
Flip Romney is as exciting as changing a baby's soiled diaper. You have got to be kidding me. I have never in my life read/heard those words before. But, if that is what you truly believe I say go for it. Waste your vote If Romney gets the nomination. He CAN NOT beat Obama in the general election.
The only candidate that can beat him is Ron Paul. The Ron Paul Revolution makes up a large chunk of the general electorate. We are voting Dr. Paul no matter what. We can have head-to-head Paul VS Obama or a 3 way race involving Paul, Obama & Romney.
Republican election History
1960 Nixon - moderate - LOST - to conservative sounding Kennedy despite resonable popularity of Eisenhower.
1964 Goldwater - Staunch Conservative - LOST
1968 Nixon - Moderate - Won - Democrats split vote between Hubert Humpries and George Wallace running as an independent.
1972 Nixon - Moderate - Won against a very liberal DemocratGovernor George McGovernl
1976 Gerald Ford - Moderate - Lost to 'born again' Jimmy Carter whom everyone thought to be a moderate.
Carter, a veteran, castigated the Defense budget - made the Iran Hostage Crisis worse by failing in a rescue mission, had is liberal human rights litmus test (caused regime changes from bad dictators to worse dictators) - lead to the Iran hostage Crisis (co-lead by then student President Ahmadinejad), got landmark environmental reforms that exacerbated the decline of the Steel and Coal industry to of shore locations. In 1977 he got the CRA (community reinvestment act) that began attempting to force banks to give loans to people who could not afford them - basically because they thought that would stop racial discrimination!
1980 Ronald Reagan Mid-conservative - Beat Carter - who now was seen as very liberal and rivals Herbert Hoover.
1984 Ronald Reagan Mid-Conservative - wins in landslide over a very liberal Senator Walter Mondale who made it a point to run that he was going to raise people's taxes.
1988 Bush 41 - A moderate who ran with reagan an as a conservative beats over a very Liberal Gov of Massachusetts Dukakis.
1992 Bush 41 - a moderate who ran as a conservative and went back on his "read my lips, no new taxes' Slogan, loses to Bill Clinton - a Moderate Democrat where the infant Reform party Candidate Ross Perot split off many more republican votes than democrat votes. Perot almost got my vote that year.
1996 Sen. Bob Dole - the Liberal (socially) conservative (fiscally) Senator from Kansas loses to Bill Clinton, who ran as a moderate Democrat.
2000 George Bush a Moderate conservative - edges out very Liberal VP Al Gore.
2004 George Bush then edges out a very Liberal John Kerry
2008 John McCain - Moderate Conservative Flip flopper - Is beaten by Barak Obama who ran on a very conserative moderate tone. His policies and accomplishments are a radical departure from where we have ever been
2012 Mitt Romney is a Moderate Conservative Flip Flopper with a lot of money, and smooth delivery. FAIL
Ron Paul is a Libertarian in Republican apparel.
Newt Gingrich is conservative but has had self-control issues.
Rick Perry is a strong conservative, but has some self-control issues.
Santorum is a conservative who looks like he is actually reasonable considering some personal beliefs
Huntsman is a moderate or moderate conservative - I think more moderate than anything.
Electability is a concept born of the democratic party and moderate republicans and pandered by a media that is 79% registered democrats. It's soul purpose is to repress conservatives. Yeah, conservatives have problems, but they are not the Hitler incarnate that Democrats and Moderates want you and I to believe.
The only candidates who raise any concern by the democrats are the conservative ones. How do I know?
Are they really attacking Romney, Huntsman, or Paul?
Hmmm... Ex-Governor Romney, or to be more politically correct, Former Governor Romney, is out of touch with the common person. He lives a lifestyle of the rich and famous, but, he has the charisma of a rutabaga.
The Republican Party is in shambles and has no meaningful candidates. NONE of the present gaggle of Republican Party presidential wannabes has a chance against Mr. Obama in the next election.
The "debates" are a farce, a clown car collection at best. What else can the GOP do, except find ways to complain about Mr. Obama, and try to find ways to scare the voters, and argue amongst themselves?
I am so tired of this site TELLING me my vote won't count. It will be for Ron Paul. I am not naive enough to believe that everything he wants will come to pass. I do feel that he is FOR the people learning to take back their beliefs in what they can accomplish WITHOUT handouts. I believe he is pro America and not pro-global at the expense of the USA. Yes it will be rough but we all need to get away from the dependency that we have been lured into at the cost of our freedoms and which any of the other candidates will continue to lure us into a false sense of well being. If MSN believes that if they call Ron Paul unelectable long enough people will fall for it. Well guess what, we have fallen down hard and no longer believe in the bologna they are feeding. Ron Paul worked in a profession that believes in AT FIRST DO NO HARM while all the others grew up with damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead at any cost to others mentality. He has been branded an isolationist which is wrong. He is a non-interventionist. The current and possibly future presidents are alienating other countries. What would the USA do when other countries decide that they don't want to play with us anymore? At least with Ron Paul we will decide who we play with and not the other way around. Talk about people being fed a load of you know what, step back and spend time really researching him. When you decide to call him racist, they all are. He does not advocate starving poor children, give me a break on that one. There are poor people all around me and it IS the churches that are feeding them. Many have too much honor to take from the government anyway. It is time we began looking after each other rather then being enslaved by the government.
RON PAUL 2012 or more of the same BS even if it is a step back at least it WILL change our path
michelle-1073610
"The entire population is not nearly as blind, dumb, or stupid as they think we are."
But most of them are or Obama would never have been elected.
slaves your masters have chosen your candidate and his name is Romney, RESISTANCE IS FUTILE, Sincerely, corporate media
And that would be ANY of the GOP "hopefuls"
@Freedom RP - Mitt will prove you wrong. I have done my research. I know Ron Paul can't handle being president and know he wont win. I like Ron Paul a lot. He is my second choice. But, as long a Mitt is in the race, I am for Mitt.
Saxon, you're so right, America will collapse because no one will do what it takes to make it solvent, Neither party has the BALL's to cut the government Payroll and raise Taxes, because that is the only way to fix it but most live in a different world not the real one .............
Electability is a major concern of voters???
Maybe I'm crazy, but if you are voting for someone just because you think they can win and not because they stand for what you believe or have the best plan for the country, then you probably shouldn't be voting at all.
Sick of Liberals - your post makes absolutely no sense.
Bob 337- no we're not. We didn't elect the buffoon who selected Sarah Palin as his running mate and who had no idea the economy was in trouble. We elected the best man running - and he's clearly the best man again. The entire group of GOP candidates - with the exception of Huntsman - are so tied to the far right they don't have a clue about anything.
And Romney changes his opinion depending on where he is campaigning. He is perhaps the most dishonest of all of them - oops - wait - I forgot about Gingrich!
Obama 2012!
One of the problems with Romney, is that it leaves the POTENTIAL for the debate to move away from economic issues; and instead move into a debate about religion, how much religious ideology should influence our laws, and if we all want to live by Mormon ideology, or would Romney chose to go the Utah route, and start moving towards some Mormon like politicking. Outside of Utah, what they're trying there was a dismal failure, with Al Capone, bath tub ale, and home brew moonshine, some of many results. Well till prohibition was repealed....
His record could come up, with some saying "well Mass didn't try to ban happy hour, Utah did", and others could counter that he's a bit of a flip flop, so do you really know where he would stand, or what limits he'd put in place in not legsislating Mormon values on society. Utah's new law, making it illegal there to have daily drink specials really does raise this issue; especially as everyone smells the Mormon influence wrt that law the state of Utah passed. If there's a matter of iffyness, does the rest of the country really want to live by those whacky Utah laws the Mormons seem to prefer? Outside of Utah, the country isn't exactly most favorable of that happy hour measure, with many saying "well, guess I won't vacation there afterall, then".
LOL Romney? You have got to be kidding even the people who back him cant stand the mushmouth
Shhh...let's not tell the regressives why elect-ability matters.
They don't get it, so why spoil it for them?
Well, one thing is for certain. If Romney gets elected, the country won't need sleeping pills anymore; though they might need to buyout Columbia's entire supply of coffee; and put a mountain of sugar in it so as not to go comatose. If someone has insomnia, they'll just need to reach for their TV remote and watch one of Romney's speeches as he drones them to sleep.
I too find him boring, cure for insomnia seems like it.
Romney will not beat Obama. Anyone want to take bets that if Romney wins the NH primary he gives the same recycled "America the Beautiful" speech again, the one he repeated everywhere he went in Iowa?
TO: Jari A Valladares who wrote:
Oh pleeze! We've seen what horrible choices Republicans made last time (and the time before) for their Nominees, and even when Republican Nominees didn't seem "that bad" once they got in office they were a nightmare. They presided over terrorist attacks, they crashed our economy, and now Republicans have waged war against middle class Americans!
Just say No! to [Any Republican].
Obama / Biden 2012
Irish-n-green, Read the NDAA bill, & please tell me what part of that atrocious bill is constitutional. Also tell me what part of forcing American people to buy a product from private corporations is constitutional. Now provide me some of your superior constitutional wisdom. Read the NDAA bill, and then get back to me with your praise of Obama.
I think it's funny that Gingrich thinks he is electable and Romney isn't. He can't even beat Romney.
Now, see, this is what I call the Conservative Conundrum. I think if true conservatives vote for Romney, they betray their principles, even though he may have the best chance of beating President Obama (according to them, mind you) in the 2012 election, as opposed voting for a true conservative who will more than likely get their butt blown away in said election because they would be portrayed as too radical for the Indies and Mods? Might I also point out that your boy Rush even doesn't approve of Romney? Now, you conservatives don't think Rush is wrong, do you? Do you honestly think Romney is really "your" type of conservative? I mean, the man was governor of your favorite hating-liberal state, Massachusetts, for crying out loud, and created Romneycare, the forerunner of your hated Obamacare! He supported a woman's right to choose! Can you really use your hatred of President Obama as an incentive to vote for Romney, and compromise your vaulted principles, and confirm my suspicion of your hypocrisy? Really?! Glad I'm clear about who I'm going to vote for! Good luck with that (though not too much luck).
Obama 2012!
And he"s half mexican.
Still Romney has got the Democrats worried, just read these comments. If you're so sure Obama will beat Romney, I would think you would welcome him, but you don't. It's fear plain and simple.
Let's see how long it takes them to collapse this.
Welcome to the thinking the establishment has diseased your mind with. Welcome to more of the same. Grats on losing ideological credability.
Contrary to the delusional Libbies beliefs, Conservatives can and will vote for Romney. The alternative will be Barrack, this would be unconscionable.
Despite the collusion on the Left, the only real hope for change is that ANYBODY in the White House is better then the incompetent we have now. We allowed a totally inexperienced junior Senator obtund the electorate that he was somehow going to change the two established propaganda machines in Washington, Democrats and Republicans. If you believed any of that gibberish you can see the results.
Romney is NOT the pre-eminent Conservatives we would like in the White House but he is much farther right than the embarrassment we have today. America is a center-right nation. Our current POTUS is a staunch Liberal/Progressive. This is the root of all our problems today. Liberalism/Progressivism is to blame for all the economic, social, cultural and moral collapse we see today. This is no longer acceptable.
We allowed Barrack, with no economic experience whatsoever, to prove his incompetence, and he has. A community organizing-professor-turned-Senator can no more be effectual during an economic crisis of this magnitude than Mickey Mouse can. At least Romney has experience in commerce. His alleged flip-flops are acceptable as long as he continues with his current agenda. There is always risk when dealing with a politician as we have seen with our current imposter in the White House.
Four years of incompetence, inexperience and corruption is enough. We can no longer afford the Liberal/Progressivism that has been weighing our great nation down for nearly a century. Keynesianism can no longer be allowed as it has failed now just as it did during the Great Depression. We have had no leadership outside of a mammoth intrusion of government into the private sector with Obamacare and Dodd-Frank and massive incompetence as far as no budget for nearly 1,000 days, continuing resolutions replacing legislation and unemployment benefit extension into perpetuity.
No trade reform, no tax reform, no regulation reform, no union reform, no domestic policy, no economic policy, no foreign policy and most importantly massive uncertainty, will never fix our current myriad problems.
I do agree with Barrack's "We can't wait" initiative. We can't wait for the necessary experience and leadership our great Republic needs today to develop. if it hasn't happened by now it certainly won't when the Conservatives take over the Senate and maintain their hold on the House. What we need is a president that will work with them to fix the calamity that Liberalism/Progressivism has created.
Nanette
Well said, I am with you 100%.
Paul should run third party. During debates, he would stand direct opposite of Romney and Obama, and America would watch and learn.
It's the learning that needs to happen.
Most likely, he would pull votes from Romney and Obama would get in. Since a Romney presidency and an Obama presidency would be just about the same thing: garbage. It doesn't matter much which one gets in, but at least America would be slightly smarter.
SeekingSanity
"Sick of Liberals - your post makes absolutely no sense."
It makes perfect sense, that is if you have any common sense. Your name fits you well, keep seeking it may come to you sometime or another.
If Romney is electable, America is in trouble.
BIG trouble.
I wonder how many of those gray-haired people in the picture realize that Mitt Romney wants to steal their retirement nest eggs and transfer the money wholesale to his rich pals.
He may be a community organizing-professor-turned-Senator, but he kicked Bin Laden's a$$, a feat that your "tough" repub couldn't do. To call Obama a progressive is laughable. Ask a true progressive what they think of Obama, and you'll find out that Obama will be lucky to get their vote at all. You must be from a state that doesn't actually have many liberals/ progressives.
commonsense....
Funny, I said the exact same thing about Barrack, and I was right.
I'll take my chances with Romney or anyone else for that matter.
ABO (Anybody But Obama) 2012
Heather-2007490
OK,,,,Heather,,,,and just what benefit has killing OBL been? How much more of a victory was it than killing al-Yazid, Al Farouk, Al Zarkawi and others?
NONE!
In a recent article, it was disclosed that Al Qaeda and the Taliban and other miltant factions have been increasing attacks against allied forces in Pakistan and Afghanistan. Lemme think, where did I see that article? Oh yeah, it was right here on the Newsvine, actually the New York Slimes broke the story.
You typical Liberal buffoons believe that having taken OBL out will all of a sudden cause the rainbows to shine forever over the world. GROW UP! He was no more than a figurehead for a large and diverse group of factions hell bent on Jihad. He got headlines a decade ago when he led the atttacks on 9-11 and since then has been cowering in a complex in Pakistan as we were scouring the Middle East for him.
He is no more significant than catching Hussein in Iraq or Qadafi in Libya. The Jihad or, more colloquially, the Arab Spring is still up and running. The common denominator in all this will be the Muslim Brotherhood.
The OBL story is simply a feel-good story you Libbies all cherish. Is it of any significance? Nope.
BTW, the only reason Barrack can't show his true Progressive colors is because America realizes how horribly damaging that political faction is. We've seen it's destructive effects for nearly a century, it's time to clean that trash out forever.
This is how it will go down.....
Romey will win the GOP nomination by default (sorry to all you Ron Paul supporters but, yes he is a principled man unfortunately he is an unattractive dinosaur with a one track mind).
He, Romey, will be forced due to his religion and "liberal" reputation to pick an ultra conservative tea bagger as a running mate (possilbly Santorium...not Chistie he is waiting for 2016 and won't want to have that stain on his record or Huntsman for the same reason) to try to bring those Ultra Right voters in. (McCain brought in Palin to attract the woman vote...oops)
The Right Wing Crazies most likely led by the egotistical Mad-Hatter of the RWC Donald Dump Trump will start an independent run most likely with either of the 2 Female Floaties Palin or Bachman because "they are not satisfied with the GOP Ticket". Ron Paul because of the fanatisim of his supporters who really believe he is the saviour might be talked in to an independant run as well but he is probably smart enough to see no light in that tunnel.
This will split the vote and leave a lot of the Ultra Right / Christian Fundamental Terrorists / KKK Types out in the cold once that independent run sputters and fails and they just plain will not be able to bring themselves to vote for either side.
The Dems who were starting to feel that with the Reps split they won't even bother to vote but the Dem Machine will get going putting out polls that indicate that Roamy is picking up independents and conservatives and could make it a close race....that will get the Dems in to the polling booths.
Obama will be re-elected in a landslide and all the bitching and moaning from the GOP, Fox News, the birthers, the tea nuts, Christian Right, Anti Abortionists, NRA etc will continue for the next four years while the President will proceed as much as possible to right the ship which has gone somewhat off course for the most part since the Viet Nam war.
That's it in a nutshell folks...copy it put it away somewhere and check it off as we go along.
Freedom Pings Loud....if GW had gotten OBL the GOP would have been dancing in the streets claiming it as the biggest kill of all time (but he didn't and he didn't because the MIC needs an enemy to keep people like you in fear).
FreedomRingsAloud, cite your sources.
FreedomRingsLoud Four years of incompetence, inexperience and corruption is enough.
That's what we thought in 2004.
Mr. Anon
There are no specific sources for hearsay, inuendo, fantasy, make believe, fear mongering etc you just need a vivid imagination and a keyboard.
Want clarification about the POTUS? Attend a black Baptist church one Sunday. Then listen to BO preach (er, give a speech). No wonder he's referred as the "anointed" one. The man simply preaches his vision of the promise land without, of course, the authoratative source of real preachers. With a straight face and much chicanery, he misrepresents the history of America, our "core" values, and claims he will bring the so-defined "Amercan" way home to the faithful. Reality is indeed stranger than fiction. The hypocrisy of the LeftyLibDems, many of whom have abandoned traditional faith but not the yearning for some faith, any faith. Modernism embraced Darwinism and Science but the twin gods came under attack by the Postmodernists who seem to have found their truth in the revisionist BO and his liberation politics.
Listen carefully and you'll discover he's all platitudes, rhetoric, demogogery as his cadence rises and falls to drive his point home that he, and he alone, can lead the faithful to social justice and equality through change. He finds nothing great about America currently, only the potential to recapture his erroneous view of what was great about America in the past. He exploits the discontent and malcontents with his liberation preaching, setting himself up as the Way, the change agent, who won't lie to you and will fight for you every single day. Together, with the Anointed one leading the masses, will America overcome the tortuous present to achieve the glories of the future by building on the principles of the past.
What a crock. What a crook. What a meglomaniac considering he never led anything.
Sick of Liberals....you do realise that most states, even most likely your own, have mandatory No-Fault Car Insurance which is in fact the Government forcing people who want to have a car to buy Insurance from a Private Corporation generally paid for through your car registration.
Nobody seems to have a problem with that but you don't want people who can afford health insurance to have a minimum health cover policy much like No-Fault Insurance so that the costs of medical insurance generally can be kept lower because the rest of the folks that do have insurance don't have to pay increased fees for those that can't or worse won't take up health insurance.....seems odd but most of what you come up with is.
You have such an obvious hatred of the current President, for what reason we can only guess, that rational members here for the most part dismiss your posts out of hand.
A Yank in Australia
ROTFLMAO!!!!!
WOW!!!! That world you live in must be scary with all those rainbows and unicorns one minute, then bogeymen and shadows running around in it the next. Obviously it’s a symptom of the disease that consumes the entire Liberal mind.
See? You and your girlfriend Heather up there have the same delusion. When will you Liberal buffoons learn that all these scary monsters are just there to divert your attention from the real danger? It's a shame the elitists you so covet never inform you completely.
BTW, I’m not sure who you’re talking about regarding the Ultra Right / Christian Fundamental Terrorists, it must just be more of those bogeymen running around in your little indoctrinated mind. But I’m sure you limp-wristed Libbies must be very familiar with the KKK type you referred to. I mean, aren’t some of your historic heroes people like the great racist, Kleagle and Exalted Cyclops Robert Byrd? Of course let’s never forget that bastion of racism and segregationist euphoria you all cherish so much from George Wallace. Weren’t they both Democrats? (Please don’t embarrass yourself and try to deflect that they were some mythical “Dixiecrat”, they were racist Democrats, and it continues today)
Hypocrites!
Rickeroo hopefully he will run, but I can't see him being allowed in the debates. the people who run this show run it very strictly and third party candidates are not invited, they might bring actual debate or meaningful discourse. If he had Perot money maybe
Something I found online:
Theater of the absurd in Republican presidential debates
By Patrick Martin
9 January 2012
…The two debates took on the character of a theater of the absurd, with multimillionaire candidates—egged on by their multimillionaire media questioners, ABC’s George Stephanopoulos and Diane Sawyer on Saturday night, NBC’s David Gregory on Sunday morning—vying with each other for who could enunciate the most vicious and extreme position…
….The candidates made no effort to explain, nor did their media questioners ask, what would happen to the tens of millions of working people, retired, unemployed, disabled and poor who depend on these programs for their economic and physical survival.
Their perspective was summed up by Santorum, who should have been awarded the prize for the most barefaced lie, as he denounced a passing reference to the “middle class” by another candidate. “There are no classes in America,” Santorum claimed. “We are a country that don’t allow for titles. We don’t put people in classes.” This amounted to acceding to a “class warfare argument,” he said, “something that should not be part of the Republican lexicon".
To cite only a few instances, the candidates declared their support for reducing taxation on corporations to zero (Gingrich), abolishing the departments of Education, Energy and Commerce (Perry), establishing a nationwide right-to-work law (Gingrich, Perry and Romney), means-testing Social Security and Medicare (Huntsman), abolishing food stamps and Medicaid as entitlements and replacing them with block grants to the states (Santorum), slashing federal spending by $1 trillion immediately (Paul)….
…The reality is that there is no major country in the world so deeply divided along class lines as the United States. The top one percent of the population—which includes all six Republicans and their Democratic opponent, Barack Obama—controls the bulk of the wealth and income, while living standards for the vast majority, including the working class and much of the middle class, have stagnated or declined….
….The dynamic of the campaign for the Republican presidential nomination reflects the rightward trajectory of the whole capitalist political establishment in America. President Obama has moved sharply to the right since his election in 2008, expanding the bailout of Wall Street begun under Bush, escalating Bush’s war in Afghanistan, and intensifying the attacks on democratic rights at home justified in the name of the “war on terror.”
As a consequence, the Republican candidates have moved even further to the right, combining their anti-working-class policies and appeals to Christian fundamentalists with absurd rhetorical attacks on Obama as a socialist. This theme was reiterated by nearly all the candidates in the weekend debates.
Romney has become the frontrunner among the Republican candidates owing largely to his vast personal wealth, estimated at more than $250 million, and his close connections to banking and hedge fund billionaires. The former proprietor of Bain Capital, a ruthless asset-stripper, has corralled whatever Wall Street support not locked up by the Obama reelection campaign, which has pursued the big financial interests aggressively.
While Romney leads in the polls in New Hampshire and nationally, both the campaign for the Republican nomination and the ultimate general election contest remain unpredictable. One prominent Republican billionaire, Las Vegas casino mogul Sheldon Adelson, announced over the weekend he was pumping $5 million into a pro-Gingrich political action committee—a so-called Super PAC—that would flood the upcoming South Carolina primary with anti-Romney ads.
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2012/jan2012/reps-j09.shtml
For the benefit of Steve D ####### I repeat my earlier post 1.61 he seems to have the same theory on sources and facts as FRL.
There are no specific sources for hearsay, inuendo, fantasy, make believe, fear mongering etc you just need a vivid imagination and a keyboard.
Steve you are using mumbo jumbo hyperbole to make a case against what you claim is mumbo jumbo hyperbole...which fact of history did he misrepresent, "our core values" you mean your core values or do you just assume that you as the knower of all things have the handle on what those core values are, what is the so called American Way or are you referring to what you believe the American Way is, (the American Way is not chipped in to stone it is different things to different people for some it's freedom of expression for others it is the right for the KKK to burn crosses in front of churches).
Reality is indeed stranger than fiction but you don't, by that post, seem to have a grasp on the difference just yet, what a crock indeed.
Mr. Anone
Sources?
Good God man, don't you even keep up with your own propaganda media machine? I'm getting tired of covering 8 different news sources for all you allegedly educated Libbies.
This one?
msnbc.msn.com/id/45917097/ (copy & paste in your browser)
Here, I'll even give you the New York Slimes source so there's no accusations of hearsay, inuendo, fantasy, make believe, fear mongering etc. In case you don't have a vivid imagination or keyboard.
nytimes.com/2012/01/08/world/asia/lull-in-us-drone-strikes-aids-pakistan-militants.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=lull%20in%20airstrikes&st=cse (copy & paste in your browser)
You people need to learn how to research, you're embarrassing yourself.
FRL....nice be of name calling but no sources.....just as I thought!
You are a typical example of one who is so blinded by the fear mongering, BS, black man with an attitude and a gun around every corner, Muslim = Terrorists, God fearing rancor that comes out of Fox News, the MIC, and the Radical Conservative Right Wing who claim to have sole possession of American Morality... you are the poster boy for exactly what you fear.
A Yank in Australia
Look up Spanky. (#1.68)
WOOHOO! Nice compilation of Leftie talking points. Do you get yours from chubby Ed "Sergeant" Schultz? Maybe Richard Maddow? No, it has to be from that wizard of socialism Keef Olderman. Are these YOUR sources. You should be ashamed.
You're out of your league here yank.
Oh, just for the record. I don't fear anything, I'm a real American. You should try it sometime.
The election will be about Obama's incompetence, regardless of the republican nominee. In every case, Obama has made matters worse, leaving him very vulnerable to anyone else in November. NOBAMA 2012.
FreedomRingsLoud, I do not think you understand what I meant by demanding citations. You claimed that Osama Bin Laden's death, along with Gadhafi's, were insignificant. That is what I wanted citations for. Obama never claimed that Bin Laden's death meant the end of Al Qaida. It's disputed whether he was even an active leader by the time of his death. However, he was known as the centralizing figurehead of the terrorist group, and his death likely caused tremendous disorder in his organization (http://spectator.org/blog/2011/05/02/the-significance-of-bin-ladens). His death was not only "a desperate excuse for liberals to support Obama", but something acknowledged around the world as significant progress against terrorism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactions_to_the_death_of_Osama_bin_Laden#Official_reaction). An Al Qaida member even admitted "This news has been a catastrophe for us. At first we did not believe it, but we got in touch with our brothers in Pakistan who have confirmed it.".
Alas, by checking your facts for you, I only risk feeding the trolls. The level of your trolling is at such an extreme, and your arguments are frankly so poor, that I suspect Poe's law is at work. Then again, you are hardly less annoying than Feisty, so perhaps it is not in my place to judge.
No. That's not how this works. You have to prove why Romney, Santorum, Paul, or whoever you support is worthy of holding the highest position in office. To do that, you must state how you see the country to improve under this new president. I can say "George W. Bush is a bad president", but if I am to comment about his reelection, I have to show why John Kerry or whoever is better, or else I'm pretty much saying I could favor Kim Jong Il as president.
Mr. Anon
You Liberals just don't want to get it do you?
IF OBL was so significant why isn't the government eliminating Homeland Security? Why aren't the unconstitutional searches and civil rights violations by the TSA being stopped? Why isn't the Patriot Act being dissolved? Why isn't Obama declaring there is no further need for NDAA? Why aren't all the terrorism divisions of the CIA, FBI and NSA being defunded? Why isn't the National Counterterrorism Center being downsized?
You see my good friend, who obviously has a compulsion to simply praise our Narcissist-in-Chief in any manner possible to save face, OBL is insignificant.
Yes, OBL was an evil man.
Still, the evil is not dead, just the man.
It took 10 years and all the resources of the greatest superpower in history to kill one man. There's no assurance that another madman, with just as much if not more evil, won't step up to take his place. Or two, or ten or a hundred.
That evil, it's still there. Far harder to drive out, far harder to be rid of than those of flesh and blood who seem to embody it. In your celebration of their deaths you risk forgetting, risk ignoring evil's lingering presence, its dark attraction, its stubborn persistence. It's poised to come again. History demands it.
So, go ahead and celebrate OBL's death as some far reaching accomplishment.
Myself? I prefer to admit it is insignificant.
To vote for Romney would be no different than those who voted for Walker for Gov in Wisconsin. You don't know what you're gonna get until you open the wrapper and then it's too late. It would be like a coin toss - Romney would flip a coin to decide his position that day.
It's actually no different for any of the others in the field. And don't bother telling me Paul -- he's psycho.
As for the Romney supporters accusing others for 'not seeing the light' - Really??? The stunned and stupid are telling 'us' that we're wrong. Isn't that special.
AM I the only one who is thinking maybe Ron Paul is not gunning for the Prez seat but for the VP seat? Think about it, he is all about preventing the violations of our constitution by congress and senate. And who exactly gives them a voice in the house to be heard? I do believe it the VP isn't it!! So if some bad politician is trying to pass a legislation/law that in someway might violate our rights, I wonder if an ultra constitutional rights conservative is going to let them speak?
Lets face it folks the POTUS is not all powerful wizard of O.Z the myth, a POTUS is more like the real wizard who just happened upon O.Z by an accident/fate. He hides behind a curtain of supposed power and when he gets caught it's time to play the blame game!!! Show me one POTUS who at some point in their reign(lol) did not blame someone else for their short list of problems fixed vs problems promised to fix.
And am I the only one who thinks its odd that just as we are bringing troops home on schedule according to Bush edict, and NOW getting into some heavy crap with Iran!!! WTF?
How much trouble to we have to be in with other nations before we use our oil reserves? Are they waiting for the nuke to be dropped to use the reserves? Did we sign them over as collateral to China? I mean really, get out of other nations business before we have another un-affordable war. Which if we get into we will just be back at these boards blaming Bush, Obama, and eventually work back to Washington.
Romney is in my mind not radical enough to elect bc I think we need an isolationist type in there. We get blamed for EVERYONE else problems, ur kids doing drugs' darn Americans, ur teen daughter is prego' darn Americans, your kids cussing' darn Americans, your people want civil liberties and equal rights' darn Americans. But oh oh oh you need money, "oh u sweet wonderful, generous Americans' to our faces and when we turn our backs it becomes a ' yeah you better pay me or we will kill you all and take what we want, you rich, lazy, good for nothing Americans.'(omitting all curses for a reason).
So yeah, if Obama can close us against this weird hypocrisy and back stabbing, sure re-elect him. If Obama makes us bring troops homes and puts money back into weapons manufacturing (thanks but no thanks china, we will keep our secrets) and puts our military to work building military weapons, I would re-elect him. If Obama found a way to bring back manufacturing to America, the yeah I would re-elect him. If Obama put our heroes coming home from war to work on our border and removed the cartel threat, yeah I would re-elect him ( that would be just great). If Obama put more money into discovering healthcare fraud and welfare fraud and unemployment fraud, yeah I would re-elect him. If Obama stopped going on so many vacations with our secret service paid for by my taxes, then yeah I would re-elect him.(I do not care if other POTUS did it, we need to save money and make tough decisions, going on vacations doesn't help) If Obama stopped blaming everyone else for....well....everything, then yeah I would re-elect him. If Obama stopped raising the Debt ceiling rather than making the hard choices, the yeah I would re-elect him.
But until then I gotta go with Ron Paul and that is my crazy choice but hey we can't all be perfect like the one who trolls this posting will be!!!!
Without massive voter fraud (just like 2008) earbamma will be tried for treason!!!!
Without massive voter fraud (just like 2008) earbamma will be tried for treason!!!!
Steve D- Is your high on the up or just crashing! No matter what your on, seeking professional help!
A Yank in Australia
"Sick of Liberals....you do realise that most states, even most likely your own, have mandatory No-Fault Car Insurance which is in fact the Government forcing people who want to have a car to buy Insurance from a Private Corporation generally paid for through your car registration.
Nobody seems to have a problem with that but you don't want people who can afford health insurance to have a minimum health cover policy much like No-Fault Insurance so that the costs of medical insurance generally can be kept lower because the rest of the folks that do have insurance don't have to pay increased fees for those that can't or worse won't take up health insurance.....seems odd but most of what you come up with is.
You have such an obvious hatred of the current President, for what reason we can only guess, that rational members here for the most part dismiss your posts out of hand."
A Yank in Australia, your argument has no basis, driving a car is an option, living is not. Does that answer your liberal media talking points? As far has having a hatred for Barrack Obama, yes you're right, I hate him as much as George W Bush, who had just as many UN-constitutional bills while in office. You liberals must have hated Bush, because he is a southern white man, because he payed no attention to the constitution like Obama. Any one who supports bills such as the Patriot Act, NDAA, & mandatory health insurance from a private corporation, are just completely ignorant & UN-American. I see no difference is Bush or Obama, neither one payed or pays attention to the law of the land, the constitution. Now go learn some more media talking points, and get back to me parrot.
Maybe Yank in Aussieland should stay in aussieland.
As bad as Obama is, and yes he is bad, any GOP contender would be infinitely worse. Obama is Fascist Lite, but the GOP are now run by loons that make the Neo-cons look like lefties. As for Romney, he is too "moderate" for those people, and cultist to the brainwashed Xtians - fat chance he has in a general election. Ron Paul will almost certainly run as a Third Party candidate, and that will, much to my delight, destroy what is left of the GOP. Now all we need are real Progressives with backbones and gonads to step up and kick the Dems out too. America is about looking forward and seeing a better tomorrow, not looking back fondly on the 1850's as the new GOP does, nor speaking of change when you do nothing but continue illegal acts started by the worst administration in US history. A Pox on both the GOP and the Dems!
If "progressive" policies are what got us to $15 trillion in debt (Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, Affordable Care Act) I don't think I'd call that "progress."
Do your homework - not paying for two wars while cutting taxes on the wealthiest is what got us in the current mess. Social Security and Medicare are paid for by premiums, inaccurately called a tax, paid by working people so they have insurance against old age and/or disability. Medicaid is a program run by the States for those people out of work, too ill to work, or under the poverty-line, so they have at least some access to the basic Human right of medical treatment. How do these, in any way, contribute to the debt? They don't. Of course all the GOP and many Dems will tell you it does. Anyone who spends just a few moments reading about the budget knows that they have been lied to, just so few people bother to do so. Shameful in a Democracy like the US.
We spent more in the last ten years on illegal aliens than was spent for all the wars of the same period of ten years.
Dasvet, care to back that up with data?
Freedom Pings Loud.....Thanks, to know that I am not in your league, as you put it, makes me feel so much better about myself. Patriotism the last refuge of one who has no argument. Typical, and S.O.L can be included in your league of blind patriotism being led around nicely by your conservative talking points the Constitution the Constitution the Constitution, reduce taxes for the wealthy "job creators", go to war to create more jobs, slap them damn N's in to obedience, close the borders, why should I have to pay for someone elses health insurance, long live the Confederacy, and all the rest of you can get stuffed if you don't agree with my opinion blah blah blah, yeah I've heard them all.
and Dave perhaps you should get out more and maybe you might have a little more understanding of the world around you.
FreedomRingsLoud
I think it is you who needs to understand, instead of bringing up red herrings.
All of this is a Red Herring. I never said I supported Obama's lack of action towards those matters. However, I do praise the fact that he has ended our role in Iraq, a completely unnecessary war, made major developments in Afghanistan (with a time-table to exit by 2014) and eliminated usage of torture in US military prisons.
Again, you have not proven that statement. What yous cited is irrelevent. OBL is significant because his death gives us a reason to exit Afghanistan and demonstrates significant progress in the US war on terror, more progress than any of the other previous presidents have made.
You claim that we deny this.
You assume that OBL is the only source of progress made in Afghanistan. In addition, 8 of those years were under one administration, while 2 of those years were under another. If you are going to talk about prolonged involvement in Afghanistan, don't just blame Obama.
In all, you are only proving that Obama has not done enough as President to end Bush's violations of human rights. That doesn't disprove the fact that OBL's death is important. Without it, we would leave Afghanistan with hardly any progress. Your argument is only valid if you are arguing that Bush is equally, if not more guilty than Obama at this.
Interesting discussion Mr Anon, Freedom Rings Loud, and A Yank in America.
@Freedom Rings Loud
It concerns me when someone talks about chasing after evil and stomping it out. History shows that too many people will use that excuse to grab more power and wealth. This is why the US Constitution contains the 4th, 5th, and 14th amendments (presumption of innocence). So until someone breaks a law, attack us, or attacks an ally I believe we should stay out of it. If we locked everyone on the planet in a separate padded cell, someone would find a way to attack someone else. So unless we have proof that someone attacked us or that they are about to attack, I do not understand attacking them. Even if they hate our guts. I would think that someone with a nickname "Freedom Rings Loud" would understand that "Those who surrender freedom for security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one." - Thomas Jefferson.
@AYankInAustrailia
Car insurance and health insurance are not the same thing, you are not required to buy a car so you are not required to buy car insurance. Also, I do not believe the government should care how one chooses to take care of themselves. I have no problem with medicaid, but I do have a problem with a health insurance mandate which forces someone who can not afford to pay for health insurance to prioritize it(the insurance not health care) over food. I have a problem with the US government telling me that paying a middle man is the best way to pay my hospital bill.
Here is a T.J. quote for everyone.
"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered." Thomas Jefferson 1802
I feel Ronny P. in the white house is our best chance to turn around this mess we are in. Although I fear it is to late for even him to pull us out of this nose dive. If someone has an answer to how the US will ever repay all this debt, please let us all know.
The Simpson Bowles Plan a way to bring the budget under control. The Ryan plan shows another. So far these are the only 2 plans I saw which move the budget in the correct direction. I favor Simpson Bowles since it is bi-partisan. However both plans tackle some sacred cows that I am not sure the country is ready to accept. The answers already exist but no one likes the answer.
Middle Ground,
Firstly the car insurance was an example of the government mandating the purchase of something from a private company, there are others I'm sure. I think people should have the choice of having health insurance from their chosen provider, or none at all if they sign a waiver that if they need medical care and can't pay for it then well TS.
Further... I don't think the US or Australia should be fighting senseless wars on foreign soil but the GOP seems to think that it is a good way to create jobs.....thanks I'll live off the land.
Please Wake UP USA....how 'bout the US stop playing world policeman, stop kowtowing to the Military Industrial Complex and cut the Offensive Budget by say 50% ..... that would be a start.
Agreed. However, I do believe this risk adverse country needs to re-examine all the causes of the high health care bill (including the lawyers, doctors, pharmaceuticals, hospitals, patients, and government). It depends on who you ask what the answer is. All know a single piece of a larger puzzle.
That goes back to the same statement I made earlier this country is "risk adverse". I do not see the point in a preventative war. You can not judge with a preventative war whether you prevented anything or if the war is justified. I do however understand the rage after 9/11 and going after the attackers.
Yes I agree with the first statement......it is the people who insist on blaming someone else when something goes wrong that have put the cost of medical care through the roof....the care costs the same the insurance that must be carried is 10X the cost of the care.
As far as wars go....nice turn of phrase "preventative wars" there is no such thing really like holy wars , police actions etc....they are just wars young men and women are just as dead and the Military Industrial Complex makes just as much money. The only thing preventative wars prevent are the profit margins of the people and companies who are making money off them from falling.
By the way, I think this is something everyone talking about the Individual Mandate should look at: http://www.politifact.com/rhode-island/statements/2012/jan/13/einer-elhauge/harvard-law-professor-says-early-congress-mandated/
Mr Anon, thank you for pointing out something other than car insurance. However, neither of the new 3 cases you pointed out is justification for a mandate to purchase health insurance.
In the first case the earlier law required ship owners out at sea to provide medicine and treatment to the workers who were on the sea. 1) Insurance companies do not provide medicine and treatment, they provide money to someone else who provides medicine and treatment. 2) The ships were not allowed to charge the workers for the medicine and treatment. 3) Owning and operating a ship was an option.
The second case was purchase of a rifle for themselves to fight in a militia. This was the same as telling a carpenter that he need to buy a hammer. A rifle is a product you purchase, you own, and you can sell.
The third case similar to the first with the ship crew paying fees for hospitals and treatment. Again, you have a choice whether to work on a ship or not. People who did not work on a ship were not impacted. Those that worked on a ship were charged a tax to directly pay the building of a hospital on shore which they used. They were not required to buy insurance which is not a medical procedure, medicine, or hospital.
I agree that if a person uses a medical provider, purchases medicine, or stays in a hospital they should be required to pay for the service they used. However insurance is not a medical service, it is one option available to pay for the medical service. The other option is to pay for the medical procedure outright. The competition to insurance is to pay for service outright. If insurance goes to high people start paying for service directly. By paying for service directly the price of insurance comes down in order to stay in business. Unfortunately a federal mandate to purchase insurance ensures that the price will go up without price controls.
Just vote for Romney and let's hear Romney vs. Obama in the the debates. Enough of the pi$$ing contests already!!!
"The one thing you don't want to do is throw your vote away to somebody who really doesn't have a good chance in the general,"
Can one honestly believe that this comment actually makes sense? You are telling me that a great candidate, able to lead the country, wouldn't be electable? And why would that be? It sure has gotten the United States into a real mess. Look at what you have in congress and all leadership. Do you realize that you no longer have true representation because of this stupid belief ?
"If you're looking for the guy who is most likely to win the general election, vote for Romney," he said. "If you strictly want to vote with your conscience … go with who you like, but it's not necessarily going to accomplish anything."
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Bravo America! Idiots. This isn't a freekin sports game. Vote for your Liberty...the foundation of your Constitution
Ron Paul 2012
Honestly, how many times do I see people post in support of Ron Paul who then go on to insult the very electorate they are trying to convince? If you want to persuade someone to your side, calling them an idiot is not the best way to do it. You Paul supporters may have a better chance if you stick to the topics and point out the contrast of Paul's position in comparison with others.
It's just basic. If you are trying to change someone's point of view don't have them put up their guard by insulting them in the process.
Actually Spokane,
We, the Dr Paul supporters, have already been insulted by those that preach electability rather than substance.
Electability has been a democrat mantra since the 1890's, why the republicans have adopted it is beyond me.
If you go for electability, you ARE throwing your vote away.
Thrown away to the candidate that someone else has chosen, meaning that your opinion is of lesser value than the one who chose the candidate that is "Electable" in HIS opinion.
The "Electability" vote is a sheeple vote. The sooner Americans learn this the better off we will be.
Republicans will never learn. McCain round two...ding ding ding
Paul 3rd party! Now is the time!
“The one thing you don’t want to do is throw your vote away to somebody who really doesn’t have a good chance in the general,”
The one thing I don't want to do is vote for some one who is only a slight variation on the status quo which got us into this mess. Why do we care if some one defeats Obama, but isn't much different? Why do people care more about jumping on the band waggon and voting for the winner than backing the idology of a candidate?
It doesn't matter whether it is Romeny or Obama. Both support the political status quo. Only one candidate is offering any real change.
Ron Paul in 2012!!!! If it's not him, pull a name out of a hat for all I care.
As long as Romney is hanging out with Christie, I'm voting Democratic if he's the Republican choice. We don't need another stooge for Wall Street in a position of power.
Christie gives all new visual meaning to the term fat cat. Can somebody put that man on a diet please? I heard astronomers noticed a variance in the orbit of the Earth and they determined it was caused by a medium sized planet in the statehouse in Trenton, NJ.
Pious Romney's most electable.......ok. Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. In the general, he'll be most unelectable.
Christie?you mean the guy who fought tooth and nail with the unions who couldnt understand the term broke?
r. -- President Obama has received millions of dollars in donations from wall street firms. apparently refusing money from wall street was not part of the "change" he promised. he is just as tied to wall street as any other president.
Oh but think of all the fat jokes and the hilarity that will ensue .....
ron17571, The country is not broke. Picture this. A huge shallow water lake is 100 miles wide and 150 miles long. A con man starts digging in a small portion of the lake. Say about 10 miles wide and 15 miles long. He digs and digs until that portion is about 100 times the depth of the rest of the lake. He exclaims, " Well, look at that. The lake's gone dry".
Despite the appearance of the the lake, it has not gone dry. There is as much water in the lake as ever before. All of that water has simply been moved to a much smaller portion of the lake. Until we force him to put all of the water back where it belongs, the entire lake suffers grievously and eventually dies for lack of sufficient oxygen. The foolish and greedy con man is too stupid to realize his enormous hoard of water will soon become stagnant and useless.
The ever widening and historic gap in income tells the truth of this tale. Christie and many of his friends lie to keep you out of your own water that they have buried in a deep hole.
Oh? I thought it was the guy that claimed his state was broke and laid off state workers, increasing the unemployment, but found plenty of New Jersey money to take a helicopter ride to a little league game AND had a limousine standing by to take him 100 yards from the heliport to the stadium. Too lazy to walk, that might explain his weight problem.
Hmm, when it comes to his own perks, Christie is the one that doesn't understand the term "Broke".
Are you saying between Christie and Romney we have a Fried Chicken restaurant manager and a used car salesman? Well, ain't that American?
james #######, can you please provide proof of that claim? I mean documented evidence not highlights from Faux News. The big news out of the last presidential election was that the Obama Team was using the internet to attract small donations from individual donors and that the great bulk of their funding was derived in this manner.....but it seems you know otherwise please provide evidence.
Romney likes being able to fire people who provide services to him. Real nice! This buffoon doesn't even recognize that he is out of touch. Just how far out of touch is completely beyond his comprehension. He'll defend this gaffe as it was taken out of context. Come on Flip Romney you and your Stay-Puff Marshmallow VP choice explain to us all why you are not completely out of touch with reality.
Some years ago, the President of my husband's company walked into the break room and overheard one of the young women in the accounting department telling her co-workers that she was going to buy a tee shirt that said "I Am A Customer" to wear when she went to the bank.
Since he knew that it was part of her job to go to said bank to deposit checks, (I did say this was some years ago), he asked her if the problem was at the company's bank. She then regaled him with the weekly horror stories- the long lines, the rude tellers, the errors- long story short, he fired the bank.
The new bank provided vastly superior service.
We, all of us, have the right to fire businesses and services when they are inferior- that is the beauty of a capitalist system. If some of the rude, incompetent tellers at the prior bank lost their jobs- that's their problem. Hopefully it was a learning experience for them.
Now do you get it?
G-9, be real. Please ! If you did not like how the dentist treated you, you would not stick with him (unless you are really stupid). Competition is what makes people and services better.
I thought the majority wanted big business out of politics. Romney seems like big business to me. He also has delusional beliefs. What do you think motivates people like Romney to be overachievers? They are motivated because there is something about their brain chemistry that causes them to never be satisfied. This personality type is easy to identify because those unsatisfied individuals are compelled to make money and gain power. The worst ones will never stop. Even the presidency isn't enough for these types. As President they usurp the peoples powers and states' rights. Ron Paul is the only candidate motivated by something else. That would be freedom. I would choose a freedom seeker over a self-server any day. Romney and Obama are negatively motivated individuals. You can't trust people like that. These are the last type of people that should ever be in power and the first to try and get there.
Romney out of touch... He thinks zero tax on capital gains is going to be a great help for the middle class. All of you middle class folks out there with large income from captal gains raise your hands!
Why does his "American Optimism" ad have only white people? Not a single person of color.
He is for abortion, but he is not for abortion. He is for personhood (he told Huckabee he was) but he is not for eliminating birth control which is exactly what personhood is aimed at. He says one thing and then later says the opposite.
So Jari, what you're saying is that Romney never fired anybody to save a company money, but that he only fired them because he was unhappy with their performance. (Now that doesn't sound like a leveraged buy-out specialist talking.)
Yes indeed, shape up or ship out. That's certainly the way it works in most big companies that are experiencing problems. Yeah, right, here's how they do it: Rather than simply cutting out certain functions or departments or product lines, these wonders of fair employee treatment line up the evaluations of all 10,000 employees and surgically cut those at the bottom of the list. If it just happens to include all their accountants, or all their janitors, or all their officers, then so be it. They let them go anyway and go hire some accts, jans or offs that are better to replace them.
Sure, that's the way big business works. The productive employee comes first, saving money comes after all the employees have been rigorously and fairly evaluated.
@jari I don't know what research you have looked at other than the ones witch mitt has bull@!$%#ed.He is a crook and a liar his so called businesses that he came up with that made 100,000 jobs is not true at all and cannot be proven by any proven documentation. Also he is the worlds biggest flip flopper and will tell anyone anything to get them to like them.He also wont help the economy at all by making the big company's ,that support him and give him millions expecting kickbacks if he wins,richer and in the process making himself richer. He is no good and a terrible person yeah theres worse but he's the champ of lying . Ron Paul is not for the giant corporations and the over invovled government.Ron Paul 2012!!
When Romney said he likes being able to fire people who provide services to him, services can also be considered as the work by workers of the company he has raided. They are providing a 'service to the company by doing their work and therefore Romney would think nothing about firing them. He's done it -- many, many times while he & his cronies got rich off the workers backs.
Romney parading around that he created 100,000 jobs. That's a joke as he was talking about 100 companies Bain raided over a period of a decade. That's going to do a lot for unemployment - 10,000 jobs a year. You can bet many of those jobs were outsourced outside the U.S. as he was big on that -- taking money out of the country to avoid tax. The subject of offshore accounts doesn't even enter into any of the conversations and he has a number of them.
When will most Americans realize our politicians are straight out of Hell? I can't believe anyone born and raised here in the United States has one shred of respect or trust for our Three Branches of Aristocracy.... Wake up!
hey, just cause you're living in america doesn't mean you can't be stone stupid. in fact i do believe there is
a direct correlation.
doesn't looking at pictures of Romney, Gingrich, Santorum, or Perry make your skin crawl, I mean really
Seeing, hearing Obama makes me vomit, ...probably worse reaction. He spouts propaganda and the hord of non intellectuals crawl in line. The people looking for a hand out, wanting the government to be there all supplier. News flash: They can't give what they no longer have and that's money. He's already spent it and left the country in a dark hole. And this is reality.
The guy left holding the tab for 2 wars & the destruction of manufacturing in the USA
is not the person to blame you Texas Einstein. People with your abilities always are found living in their hat.
The TP wont accept a moderate. Period. End of discussion. TP Motto My way or NO way.
Once Romney has the nomination the TP choice will be Romney or Obama. I'm guessing they go with Romney.
Or stay home. Lots will stay home just like Cantor wont compromise.
Skup - nope. They simply won't vote.
the question is how enthused will they be? just vote or vote and work for the campaign.
In 2010 the dems had a much better get out the vote then repugs.
Look how well that worked out for democrats.
Oh..wait.
paxil,
In 2010, Dems had a "get out the vote" campaign.............BUT "repugs", as you call them, have a "get out Obama" campaign going.
It's a very strong sentiment since we Americans do NOT like Socialism.
But Leona, most Americans are smart enough to know that Obama is not a socialist.
Only 37% of the national electorate voted in the 2010 midterms. That is nearly half of the total turnout percentage for national elections over the last 50 years. Google it.
The shellacking would have been less -- or not at all -- if more Americans realized the power of one vote. Hopefully, enough Americans will use their intellect and become educated in the truth. Not only for national elections, but also for local elections that can have greater impact on their daily lives. Just ask the voters in Ohio, Wisconsin, Florida, etc...
OBAMA 2012
Politifact once again rated the "Obama is a socialist" statement as "pants on fire".
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/jan/08/rick-perry/rick-perry-says-barack-obama-socialist/
As far as lack of enthusiasm with the GOP nominees, it's evident if you can bear listening to Rush or other right wing radio. They are trying to appeal to the enthusiasm against Obama rather than for any candidates. All you hear now is Anyone But Obama (ABO), hoping the inexplicable hatred for President Obama will motivate them more than a mediocre GOP candidate.
It's kind of a win-win for Democrats. If Romney wins, he's a moderate, barely conservative, PLUS Republicans get to take the blame for his term.
Leona. Please give us your definition of "socialism". Please follow that up with each of the President's policies since elected and how they can be directly associated with, and what kind of socialism. Then (and here's where we get the good laugh), please quote the sources of your information.
Just for kicks, and you have the right to plea the 5th, give us your definition of "brainwashed" and "minion".
People still listen to that pill head Rushbo. I hear he is out buying up Excedrin today hoping to get lucky and get some of those pills he likes to shop doctors for. His mind has been lost to the drugs he likes to abuse if he ever had one.
@ Clotho Based on this from Politifact, the lie of the year goes to democrats. So what's your point?
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2011/dec/20/lie-year-democrats-claims-republicans-voted-end-me/
Leona - and Americans with a brain know Obama is not a socialist.
How about the new American Socialism, where the government dole's out more money than it takes in, through programs like, (oh God, here it comes) extended unemployment benefits, alleged Healthcare designed by drug and health insurance companies, Banking bail-outs, GM bailout, social services to no income families, as well as illegals, etc. Nope! I have no insurance, make less that 15k a year trying to run a business, and don't belong to any political party.
Granted, we need to assist people with no incomes, but it doesn't mean money for nothing, generally speakiing.
How about a flat tax for everyone? How about saving the basic constitutional laws? Di you think that we can keep spending and spending without any problems?
It will take work, but after way too many entitlements to way too many people, we're probably screwed.
Obama is a socialist. There's no question about that, unless you don't know what socialists are.
Says someone who can't point to a single "socialist" policy that Obama has put in place.
"Obamacare"? nope, it doesn't have a "government takeover" of any hospitals, clinics, physicians, pharmacies, or even insurance companies. No government takeovers, just regulations, which happen to be the function of all governments and is not inherently "socialist".
"Auto bailouts"? Sorry, but that was signed off by Bush Jr before he left office, and handed over to his successor to carry out. Also, Obama has sold off the Government shares in Chrysler, and is systematically selling off the shares in GM, re-privatizing it. Hardly the acts of a "socialist".
"Tax subsidies for green energy"? Also a Bush signed bill, and, really, calling tax cuts "socialism" will get you laughed at even in the tea - party. Yep even that Solyndra investment came from a bill signed by Bush, and as Romney would tell you, investments are not socialism.
Face reality, the real Obama is nothing like the marxist boogyman that right-wing pundits like to portray.
You people on this blog need to stop drinking the kool aid .
Face the facts.
Obama HIMSELF said we should "spread the wealth around." He explained his own position to the country. IT didn't come from me. When you take money from one group in order to give it away to another group, you are practicing Socialism.
Now, I'd believe you Obama Worshippers if you said you like Obama and you like Socialism......but don't lie and say Obama is NOT a Socialist.
Why not admit that you WANT Obama elected and the word Socialist hurts his chances even though you know that's exactly what he is since his own words gave him away.
Leona...you fail miserably in your response. What is your definition of socialism?? You can barf out your little FOX catch phrases, but you fail to convince any of us that you even know what the word means, how it applies to modern economics and how each of The President of the United States of America's policies reflect that socialism that you claim.
If you can not back up your opinions with anything more insults, people may begin to see you as an ignorant, empty shell.
shocked,
when you say "People may begin to see you as ignorant", do you mean the kool aid drinking Liberals here on this blog?? If so, I am not concerned at all. LOL
Obama himself knows he's a socialist. He wont admit it because he'll lose the election, so he says it in other words....." spread the wealth."
Put down the kool aid , it's bad for the brain cells.
How sad. Without even knowing what socialism is, Leona accuses those who contradict her propaganda of drinking some kind of kool-aid - which is a direct reference the mass murder, conducted by the evangelical Jim Jones, of followers in Guyana...including more than 300 children who did not make the decision to follow the pentacostal minister.
To forward her direct lies against the President of the United States of America, Leona chooses to make fun of a serious tradedy in which children were murdered. Forget the possibility of looking ignorant...this is getting just downright creepy.
This is the single biggest problem facing the conservative movement. They get so caught up on one issue (abortion, for example) that they fail to see the larger problems facing this nation. The "single issue" conservatives also fail to understand how much their narrow focus turns off independent voters in droves. They need to expand their horizons and focus on all of the important problems facing the country, not just a single issue. They also fail to understand that their limited focus is in large part responsible for the gridlock that paralyzes our nation.
Amen! (pun intended) Removing religion from the Republican party would be fantastic. Unfortunately those 'blinders' are on pretty tight.
Ah the abortion issue... correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't every GOP candidate including Romney gone on record that they are against abortion even in the case of rape? Good luck with that.
BTW, have they all made a pledge with that lobbyist nincompoop Norquist yet? To do not what is in the best interest of the people of the United States but whatever Norquist buddies want that he's lobbying for?
eric - The GOP has basically gone on record to say women should not have any rights. And, that is supposed to get our vote how????
really? provide a link
age of reason,
the only people obsessed with the abortion issue is the liberal media pundits ( and debate comentators) who keep asking those same questions over and over and they neglect questions about the economy.
You know why that is??
Answer: the liberals are afraid to talk about the economy because Obama has an abysmal record on that subject. tha's why Romney is going to win the Presidency.
Obama himself said if the problems were not "fixed" during his first term,....he'd be a ONE TERMER. We are "here to collect."
21 months in a row of job gains in the private sector. The jobs report for the last few months especially show that President Obama's efforts have been successful. It's really hard for these candidates to attack Obama on the economy when it keeps frustrating them by improving.
He'll get reelected. His numbers are very similar to Ronald Reagan's. The unemployment percentage is not nearly as important as the fact that Americans are feeling that things are improving every month, and we are headed in the right direction. His approval is 49% now, but we can expect it to hit 50+ very soon.
Leona??do you smoke crack??? i swear your intellectual process is convoluted!!!!!..go lay down ok???
The Republicans in the house passed a bill that said doctors did not need to make any efforts to save the life of the mother. So much for calling themselves pro-life! Pro-baby, yes; pro-life no. They talk about small government. Ms. Bachman said she didn't want the govenment between her and her doctor. However, they want the government in every woman's uterus.
Clotho, I agree. The only thing holding back this economy from a full-scale recovery is the "make sure Obama is a one-term president" thinking in Congress (Mitch McConnell admitted that was "job one" on his agenda). They aren't looking to get this country back on track....the cons are looking to get this country back.....back 100+ years!!
Stop it.
romney won't ever win the presidency.
Fact = your only nominee who 'gets out the vote' with indies and dems is Ron Paul.
The rest of you stink.
The far right, and the far left, don't matter in elections. Never have, never will.
You need to turn out the independants and ballot-crossers.
And the caucuses and primaries are showing romney can't do it.
/Truth
Age - What we are seeing in this desperate flock of Republicans hopefuls is a direct reflection of the Republican party as a whole. How many times have we seen posts on here from "loyal supporters" that have absolutely nothing to do with the topic of conversation...they just regurgitate the lies and hate against the President of the United States of America. They have no relevance and absolutely no idea how to move the US forward.
Leona believes the "anyone but Obama" mantra that the current candidates (who would never have been taken seriously before) prey on. "Anyone but Obama", of course, means that Leona and Co. would actually vote out of complete desperation rather than factual information.
Blind, rhetoric spewing patriotism has happened in the world's history before. It would be laughable if it didn't result in millions of deaths. Always be aware of those who lack relevance and an attention span...it always means that their strings are being pulled by someone or something that would rather not see the light of day.
@bird watcher: They are not mutually exclusive, and if you think that republicans want a mother to die as well you are ignorant. If you want to use extreme cases to argue against abortion go ahead, it's pointless human life is human life, everything should be done to save that life in all circumstances. I do agree with you though, how about taking government out of a woman's uterus and keeping the laws we already have for murder. That makes sense to me.
The reality of America is 'crisis'. The reality of America is 'treading water'. The reality of America is 'a nightmare for millions of Americans' and more on the way. The present reality can be changed, but the reality is that there is no real change in the pipeline. The only America founded in a sustainable reality worth having is the American platform of Ron Paul. Name callers, labelers, party pawns, haters, hypocrites, skeptics, are all in the pipeline. Ron Paul is above the fray because the foundational law of the country is above the fray. Ron Paul doesn't speak ill of them, he speaks ill of policy and process promoted in the wrong way and in disingenuous manner. Reality is founded in what you can resurrect from the mess that we're in. Reality is leadership that puts the People in charge again. Vote for a Constitutional American Reality. Ron Paul 2012
Leona, Larry Robinson - the leading GOP candidates - Romney, Santorum, Perry, Gingrich, have all signed promises to the far right that they are pro-life and will make abortion illegal. Perry has gone so far as to say he is against abortion even in cases of rape or to save the life of the mother. Do you even know about the candidates you are backing??? Anyone who knows anything about these candidates knows this. Have you put your heads so far in the sand that you just don't hear what is going on? The only two candidates refusing to make such a pledge are Paul and Huntsman. Please - at least have some idea of things before you talk about them.
And Leona, no one could fix this country's problems in one term! It will take more than two terms to fix the mess Bush and his cronies left. Putting another right winger in office will only make things worse.
eric in oregon. BTW, have they all made a pledge with that lobbyist nincompoop Norquist yet? To do not what is in the best interest of the people of the United States but whatever Norquist buddies want that he's lobbying for?
And could someone please tell me who elected Grover Norquist to what position, and how exactly did he get the right to dictate fiscal policy?
Obama is a job killer. He went against the Keystone pipeline recently. He stopped Boeing from creating 1000 NON Union jobs in S.Carolina when so many people are out of work !!!!!!
Obama himself said that he should be a ONE termer if he can't fix things in the first term. Why don't you all take his advice?
For all those who don't believe Obama is a Socialist. ......All I can say is.......you know a person by the company he keeps, i.e. Van Jones (communist), Bill Ayers ( terrorist), Rev.Wright ( hates America) , Andy Stern ( Union thug) , and the list goes on.
Leona, you still babbling on about nothing?
hey Shellie,
you say it's nothing?
the problem with you liberals is you think this country can survive with policies that come from the likes of Obama and his friends like that communist Van Jones and terrorist Bill Ayers.
Why dont you socialists/communists move to Greece now and leave this country to "we the people" who like capitalism and what the Founders said.
Hurry.......You can get to Greece in time for the riots in the streets.
So, Leona...what"the founders said" (as if you have a clue) had nothing to do with freedom of speech?? Why do Americans with different opinions offend you do much?
You stated above that you will vote for Romney. When you can do a little homework and actually define for us what you think socialism is, I would really like to know how you can explain away Romneycare.
Can you have a civil, intelligent discussion without calling people names or by making fun of tragic mass murders of little children?
If that rich snob Romney doesn't buy the election then the bias right wing Supreme Court ( aka Kangaroo Court ) will " elect " him.
Romney cannot beat Obama without Ron Paul supporters. Ron Paul however can beat Obama without Romney Supporters. 2012 the year the people wake up and vote out the left-right establishment and restore the Constitution.
Ron Paul 2012
Exactly Wizard! Ron Paul supporters are NOT going to vote for someone who is only for something til he's against it. I hope Ron sticks to his guns, he said wont throw his support to a "big goverment moderate". Romney vs Obama, 2 books with different covers. Both their top contributors are Goldman Sachs. The media is trying to say that Romney has already "locked up the nomination" This is after 1 state he barely won! Ron Paul's ideas that are more outlying of the mainstream will be blocked by Congress, but the main issues he has spot on. Balance the federal budget-Check. Stop the unending-undeclared wars-Check. No more giveaways to the 1%. (RP voted agaisnt TARP/Bank giveaway.) Don't be fooled, long rance ahead, vote for Ron Paul to break the status quo in half.
lol!!! Ron Paul would not even take a single state. It would be the biggest landslide in the history of politics.
Wizard, you are correct! Ron Paul can beat Obama if the establishment would just back him, because his main stream supporters will not support Romney and WILL stay with Paul. Romney cannot beat Obama, even though he is for the establishment, by the establishment, because Romney will not get the independents, tea party or Paul's following.
The term electability just gets stuck in my throat. "Electability" is just another word for flip flopper, "say what they want to hear" BS. Paul is a good man who stands up for the Constitution and for what he believes. Paul would do what is best for our country and our children. Eliminate the National Debt, bring home our military, and up hold the Constitution and the Liberty it is meant to give us, ALL!
It's a shame that Ron Paul isn't a "pretty boy" like Romney. Everything Paul says is 100% balls on dead accurate. It's disgraceful how the press ignores him. I hope he runs as an independant and sinks the whole Republican party. I wouldn't vote for any of them anyway.
Americans are moving away from 'fast food' politics and aren't going to settle for zero substance anymore, no matter who's throwing the party. It takes a long time to turn the country around - in the face of the mantra of the status quo and presidential no shows, and those whose vision is limited to the space between the recliner and the television. And to the 'back to the old frontier' tactics some propose will happen if the foundation of the Constitution is again followed? Without government's heavy hand, Americans will be free to fly higher than ever before. Freedom feeds creativity and advancement, it doesn't squelch it, much more than any government agency can ever do. Freedom is feared only by the caged bird. Ron Paul 2012!
Only Ron Paul offers Americans the opportunity to engage in government that is definable, accessible and manageable - a far cry from how Americans have long been sidelined by bureaucratic coniving, disingenuous behavior and manipulation of our rights. If we are to risk it all, I would rather risk it on the average American having a voice, returning to personal and civil liberties that empower the individual so that the state of our country becomes our own creation and not that of politicians who exploit us.
Wizard – I agree. As someone who believes in small government, I will not vote for either Romney or
Obama. If Romney gets the nomination, I will be voting third party. On the other hand, several of my Democrat friends will not vote for Obama due to his failed record. They have told me that they would
vote for Paul because of his stance on ending undeclared wars, defense of civil liberties, auditing the fed, and no more bailouts/handouts for powerful insiders.
Come on fellas. I like Ron Paul but the fact is he scares people. Most of our nation will vote moderately whether you agree with that or not. As much as you don't want to hear this, the truth is a vote for Ron Paul as a third party candidate is a vote for Obama. Spread Paul's message and reason with the public. Maybe four years from now the country will be ready for Paul's message. Right now we have to unite behind the nominee or as they say "divided we fall."
Ron Paul might carry Texas if he's lucky...
Freedom is scary, yes. It is easier to defer control over your life. It is easier to go with what you're told is good for you, will fix you, will protect you against all boogeymen, real and imagined. All you have to do is hand over the money. It'll be okay. I have everything under control. All will go well for you if you just sit back and play along. I am the great wizard. I am in charge. Ignore the man behind the curtain.
Ron Paul 2012
United we Fall? Drop the Romney crap and get on the right side then! A vote for anyone but Ron Paul, Is a vote AGAINST America! Ron Paul 2012!
sad fact is: Every other Republican candidate is less electable than Romney. All the stuff his rivals say about him is true but at the end of the day they are all worse.
bingo
” Ron Paul’s candidacy is a mirror held up in front of the face of America’s Democratic Party and its progressive wing, and the image that is reflected is an ugly one; more to the point, it’s one they do not want to see because it so violently conflicts with their desired self-perception.” Matt Stoller
Ron Paul 2012
gin
Limited government expands your personal liberties while unlimited government steals them. When you take back your own freedom you will also be providing it to your neighbor. We will all have the freedom to agree and to disagree while also knowing we are our only recourse.
Ron Paul is the man. nuff said.
Fortunately for the future of our nation, liberals are a distinct minority. Most adult Americans are sick and tired of obama and his gang of petty tyrants and their misguided ideas about the future of our nation. Send obama back to chicago where he can use his alleged intelligence to "organize" a community. ANYONE but OBAMA IN 2012!
Demcrats are the largest political Party, with 31% of the population. Republicans represent only 27% of the country. You wouldn't know it, of course, because of the propaganda machine known as FOX News. They make a lot of noise.
mcpaddywack - been smoking those funny cigarettes again, huh? You don't and never will speak for "MOST" anything - much less most adults.
Obama 2012!
mcpudsucker
Can't wait for the rethuglican convention. This pack of jackals will be like the gingham dog and the calico cat. They'll devour each other and a dark horse like Jeb Bush will emerge. Another GD bush.
"Vote Republican: Because the 19th century was good to white Christian males, right?"
Amy --
Gallop show democrats at 36% of the population and republicans at 27% with 35% independent as of August.
Also in August Gallop identified Americans' political ideology at the midyear point of 2011 as 41% self-identifying as conservative, 36% as moderate, and 21% as liberal.
if gallop is to be believed then mcpaddy is at least partially correct -- 21% liberal is a minority.
Mr. Obama now has a liberal record as President which is just a natural follow from his being rated as one the most liberal Senators and will eventually have to explain that to the 79% who deem themselves to not be liberal if he is to get a second term.
nothing to do with fox, not sure why you felt it necessary to throw that into the mix.
Re-take your high school civics classes. Or take a collegiate-level one.
Obama may be a democrat, but he's not a true liberal.
He could've really pushed the liberal agenda when he had majorities in both houses.
Single-Payer Obamacare? Socialize Healthcare!
TARP? Definitely not socialist. Socialists would've taken the chance to nationalize those industries too.
He's a corporatist. Same as Romney.
/Truth
tek -- took the classes and have formed my opinion. from my perspective he is a liberal. we can agree to disagree on that.
it would appear that with only 21% saying they are liberal (by their own definition) there were insufficient numbers of liberals in the majority to get it done or he surely would have but then again since he out-sourced the whole process to harry and nancy to be held behind closed doors we may never really know why he did not get it.
McPaddywack..."Anyone but Obama" means that you would, given the chance, cast your vote for Charles Manson. This would mean that you are completely crazy. Please do not ever expect anyone to take you seriously.
Fortunately for the future of our nation, conservatives are also a distinct minority. Obama won in 2008 because he got support from moderates and centrists, and his opponent spent too much time catering to the far right fringe, that gave Obama the majority votes to win. Conservatives like Ronald Reagan won when he was able to appeal to moderates and centrists.
So, really, who will win in November depends on who is most appealing to the moderate center. Fortunately for Obama, the Teapublicans are making sure that any moderation in their candidates is labeled RINO and driven out, leaving only the extremists with limited appeal.
cm -- from my post above -- according to Gallop this is the situation:
Gallop show democrats at 36% of the population and republicans at 27% with 35% independent as of August.
Also in August Gallop identified Americans' political ideology at the midyear point of 2011 as 41% self-identifying as conservative, 36% as moderate, and 21% as liberal.
Conservatives, in fact, are in the majority.
sorry to complicate your life with facts.
It is not about a 'party'. It is about whether your life belongs to you or your government. Ron Paul 2012
The GoP might as well gift wrap Obama's second term and put a big red bow on it.... With extremist conservatives boo-ing gay service members, applauding the death of prisoners and uninsured people, and believing the rest of the nation thinks as they do.... Romney the corporate lackey that has openly said corporations are people is there best bet, its an easy win.
How about that? Narrow minded conservative Romney supporters bitching at other narrow minded Conservatives for being single issue voters ----- Who would have guessed?
It's the battle of the Narrow Minded Angels of Salvation ---- His against theirs
Anyone ever figured out how the "Sermon on the Mound" disappeared?
Conservatives seem to have a war against Christianity no matter who gets their religious nomination
Think you have that turned around. Conversatives are more likely to be deeper into religion than liberals. Liberals have a war on Christians. Just look at all the anti-Christian crap since Obama has been in office.
Jim,
(Cool icon BTW) When will Romney supporters realize that the rest of their party doesn't LIKE their guy?
Alex, Jim comes on this site and is always at war with Christians; He constantly lies about Jesus and those of us who follow Him.
lol people are anti christian for a reason
christians call for somthin n if people reject=bigot
n when we say they are the bigot, thoese who reject them are the bigots
church always wins HAHA
wen wtf does obama have to do with this?
conservatives like to swing that name in any way to connect it with some conspiracy theory
try hards.
AlexM - clearly you don't have a clue. Liberals and Independents just know that there is a separation of church and state. There are as many Christian Liberals and Independents as Republicans. We just realize that politics are not the place to force our beliefs on others. We realize the country was founded on religious tolerance and not on one group of religious beliefs.
seeking -- then you should be prepared to reject Rev. Al Sharpton and Rev. Jesse Jackson who clearly bring a large dose of their religion into politics. i think Rev. Sharpton even hosts a television show but not sure.
i would also be interested to learn your thoughts on whether democrats rejected Rev. Jackson in the primaries as the presidential candidate in 1984 and 1988 because he is a preacher, because he is black, because...
James...What? Did you not read Seeking's post? It appears you are so caught up in your own narrow thought process that you can't get beyond it to even read what Seeking said.
It's REALLY interesting to watch if Tea Party mentality will give up principles for electability. What does it say about a party that the most electable candidate is the weakest on the parties principles??
Asking the Tea Party to compromise principles for electability......should be interesting to watch what happens when the GOP leaves NH and moves on to all those southern social conservative states.
Mark - Actually, N.H. is a very conservative state.
cant wait to see the dem ad against mittens: the voice over of "corporations are people too, my friend" as the recap of his Bain Capital tenure is exposed. He OWNED Bain Capital and under his ownership 5 of the 10 companies he purchased filed bankruptcy and are now kaput. Yet, yet Bains made millions on EVERY TRANSACTION. Cant wait.... bring it on.
Get your facts straight... He didn't OWN Bain Capital, he was the CEO. The investors and stock holders own Bain Capital.
Also, if you count the number of companies Bain invested in while Romney was in tenure, and then look at the number of those that failed within 5 years of Bain taking over the company, the rate of failure is only 12%.
Others that inflate the number of those that filed for bankruptcy failed 7 to 8 years after they were taken over by Bain either puts Romney out of the picture by the time that they failed, or they were no longer managed or controlled by Bain, but by another party.
Also, Bain mainly invested in smaller companies that had a much higher risk of failure or were already in trouble, in the hopes that they could turn them around and save the company. Of course, as those in business may know, that is not always possible. Especially when some of those firms were technology companies that failed when the tech bubble burst. Acquired while Romney was there, and failed a few years after he left due to blood bath the followed that tech bubble burst.
What did Romney do after he left? He went in to literally save the Salt Lake 2002 Winter Olympic games from financial insolvency. He turned it around, and made it a great success. Yet another success.
Records will speak for themselves. When they do, those with half a brain will see that what Romney did was the same as any sensible person would do. I just hope that it is not too late for him to be able to step in and save this country from the financial mess it finds itself in at the moment. We'd all better hope and pray that his experience is enough to do the job.
Blaski- Want to make a Willard style $10,000 bet that your caricature of Bain is inaccurate? numbers are funny things- depends how you start and stop- kind of like his touting his 100,000 jobs created.
He was the major stock holder- what percentage do you think he owned?
So Romney the Clown wants other clowns to like him! If you do a disappearing act, then they will love you!!
Obama 2012
Too bad Obama can't do a disappearing act back to Chicago with his chief of staff, Bill Daly.
dee patriot, ironic name
you seem to be anti animercan
stop sugar coning....
you are willing to swing the presidents name in any direction in a desperate act to dismantle him
like i said,
try hards.
Like you liberals have not done this to George Bush and any other Republican President, Please.
Really, why? because I care too much for this country and hate to see it collapse with radical left wing antibusiness thinking? If Obama keeps spending the way he has, there will be no more country left. More than half of this country believe that Obama is bad for this country and would like to see him leave office.. How does this make me anti American, because I do not praise the ground Obama walks on like most liberals on this blog?
Why do you and your ilk always think of themselves as Patriots?
"If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin." -Samuel Adams
Ron Paul 2012
Dee Patriot - I am so tired of hearing right-wingers like yourself who don't give a damn about this country put down anyone who does. Calling yourself a patriot is a slam to real patriots - ones who put this country first. Our President would have done even better than he has (and he has done a good job considering the first the idiots on the right did were vow to defeat him - to hell with what is good for this country!) There is nothing patriotic about the far right hate mongers. Nothing patriotic at all.
I'm hoping NH voters vote for "none of the above" - oh please!
How "bout www.buddyroemer.com?
Sell your soul to Romney, sell out Conservative values so you can beat a 4 year and done president.
How you win is give repubs control of congress and block Obama then put in a good conservative for 8 years starting in 2016!
Save conserv values wait til 2016.
Romney is a RINO and will sellout to dems on social programs for tax cuts!
The problem with this way of thinking is that we can not afford 4 more years of the same that Obama has given us. There is no guarantee that the that the Republicans will get control of Congress. Why take this kind of risk, And even if they do take control and block Obama, what will get done in this country, nothing. Is that better than waiting for the perfect conservative? There is no perfect conservative. Some conservatives might not like Romney but he is a much better alternative to Obama.
Conservative values??? You mean defense of bigotry and the very richest few??
dee,
it's that kind of thinking is why you don't get conserv in power, it has to be more than beating Hussein.
If you are weak you will fall for anything!
2BadpPole - and that ignorant thinking has helped get America where it is now - obstructing everything PRESIDENT OBAMA has tried to do. But, when you have to control everything and everyone - being an obstructionist is all you have.
Yeah, sorta like the Repub god Ronald Reagan did...
Mitt electable? Well, compared to his GOP rivals he does seem to come the closest. The only other one might and I say might be Huntsman.
Paul just TIED MItt in a head to head with Obama. See the CBS news poll.
nationaljournal com/2012-presidential-campaign/poll-romney-paul-tie-obama-20120109
Electability....where have we heard that before? 2008, John McCain. Fact, every time the GOP nominated a moderate, they lost.
John McCain lost partialy because he did not run a campaign as dirty as Obama did and mostly because of timing, we were in the beginning of a recession and you should know in a recession, people always tend to vote for the other party. It had nothing to do with being a moderate.
I have a hard time thinking of Romney as a moderate. To me he is just as extreme as any of the other candidates, they just articulate it differently. McCain had my respect until he started pandering to the voters for votes, after that I realized that while I highly respect his military (especially his multiyear layover in the Hanoi Hilton 5 Star Resort and Spa), and the work he did in the Senate earlier in his career that he was just like the rest of them. Say whatever is necessary for the votes, regardless of what one said the day before. Romney is a facade. Sure he is a nice guy, but if someone were to define electability I think he or she may be surprised. And since when do we let someone dictate who is electable and who is not? I am really getting tired of everyone (listen up all, ahem, all media outlets) who kept pointing out that Romney was not on top of such and such a poll, but he was elsewhere (in Iowa). How about y'all report the news and we interpet it the way we wish. Just a thought.....
Dee Patriot - your post about McCain shows how out of touch with reality you are. He lost because he didn't have a clue about what was going on. And, no one ran a dirtier campaign than he and Sarah. McCain is the idiot who said "our economy is not in trouble," then put his campaign on hold the next week to rush back to Washington to work on the economy. He proved he was totally out of touch with reality. Voters even stated part of the reason he didn't win was because - other than not knowing what was going one - he ran a filthy campaign.
I will only vote for Ron Paul because a vote for any other GOP candidate is no different than a vote for a democrat. So it is you Romney supporters that are going to have to cross the line and vote for Paul to beat Obama. I think if you look header, you'll find that Ron Paul against Obama has better numbers than Romney does against Obama. To a Paul supporter, we don't care if Obama wins reelection if it means another neocon gets elected to office. They are all the same. Stop voting on the party line and think for yourself.
Well said Eric! Ron Paul is our ONLY HOPE FOR REAL CHANGE against the establishment! Take your Liberty back America!
I know I will get bashed for this by Ron Paul supporters but even Ron Paul believes he is unelectable. I really believe that Ron Paul is in the race for the sole purpose of getting out his message that there is an alternative way of thinking than the status quo. He wants to make a difference and get his message across and he has succeeded in doing that. I do understand his message, a lot of what he says is not as far out there as many people want to believe but unfortunately, his views on foreign affairs are way out of the mainstream of the Republican party and will never be accepted by the GOP.. With Ron Paul, it's more about getting the message across than getting the nomination.
Take us back to the Constitution & Bill of Rights.... How far back?
His son was going on about repealing the Civil Rights Act. It seems that would have a definite reduction of liberty for our black population in several states.
Or before women had the right to vote? ...
Go for it. Split the Rebub vote. Obama wins.
Yeh, yeh, you Paulites have been saying that every time Ron Paul has run for office, your message never changes. Come to think of it, Paul never changes except for getting older.
But curiously enough, the country survives, no matter who is in office. Nice thing about the Constitution is that it divides the power enough to keep any one person from messing it up too badly.
Dee, Paul just tied Romney in a National Head to head with Obama.
Birdwatcher, His son was NOT talking about repealing the Civil Rights Act. He would never suggest that. Paul is the only candidate who wants to protect everyone's rights. He's even talking about ending the Drug war so that minorities aren't discriminated against by being sent to prison more often. (And don't start with "He wants to legalize all drugs" because he fully expects the States to keep enforcing their drug laws. Obama just signed a bunch of rights away with the NDAA, and the other's want to restrict gay rights.
Hey birdwatcher, reed the civil rights act. Ron Paul 2012!
Its read, as in reading the writing on the tea-bag...
Talk about the epitome of arrogance and lack of integrity. Tell us Mr. Romney, how worried were you really about getting a pink slip at any time in your life??? On a scale from 1-10 with 10 being seriously worried; maybe a minus 200??? How do you have the balls and the audacity to compare your concern about getting a pink slip to the same concerns of Mr and/or Mrs/Ms Avg American???
When we worry about getting a pink slip, we worry about losing our only house; not just one of our mega-million $$ estates or vacation homes. We worry about losing our only car, not just one of our many Benz's. We worry about where our kid's next meal will come from; not about cutting back on dinner at the club. You are a phony Mr. Romney. You don't know what real hurt is at our level, yet you want us to believe you do as you smirk while saying it. You and dingbats like you need a major dose of role-reversal; like 50 years in our shoes while we take time picking the color of our next Benz.
Is it just me or does Romney seem like the guy in the used car commercial trying to convince us that he has just what you we to make it down the road and can do it all for an "unbelievable" price! 1-800 callmit now!
So you are saying you don't like Mitt? Are any of the other candidates that much less wealthy?
I'm not referring to his wealth, but that is a good point. I was referring to his delivery of the message. He seems less sincere than gingritch or paul. His face and hair seem like a used car sales manager whose job it is to squeeze out every cent in interest from the customer to maximize profits. You can probably tell I worked in auto dealerships in Michigan once upon a time. Anyway, that is how he strikes me as a watch and listen.
If you want more of the same, vote for this clown, or the war monger Santorim, of one of the other clowns and see if you can find the lesser evil, which of course is still evil and a piss poor shoice.
The only candidate with any honor and credibility whatsoever cant even get the corporate press to pronounce his name. He is the guy that will SHAKE $HIT UP! No if's an's or but's. Know who he is? Here is a hint, even when he is second in the race the corporate run media will not acknoledge him.......
RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT 2012
The worst "war monger" is Perry, he wanted to put more troops back into Iraq, a position that none of the other candidates could support.
The media have been mentioning Ron Paul, but he hasn't yet been "second in the race", he came in 3rd in the Iowa caucuses. Constantly shifting polls don't count.
He's been running 2nd in NH since 3 weeks ago, CM. If you haven't noticed, it's probably because some news stations have literally left him off of their charts. They put all the other candidates on there, and then "forget" to put Paul with 20%, only 13 points from Mitt.
LOL...Willard "Mitt" Romney has yet to face the dollar for dollar advertising budget that President Obama will be able to generate. When Americans actually find out what a phoney and flip-flopper Romney is, his electability will be greatly deteriorated.
Romney has to lie constantly in order to validate his record. Last Sunday morning he even had the nerve to say that he created more jobs in Mass than President Obama has created in the entire country. Hmmm, Willard, you ranked 47th out of 50 in job creation as a governor, and it was so poor that the polls convinced you not to run for re-election. And NOW you want to be President?!
You and your Super-pacs can lie all you want, but the truth will come out if you become the Republican nominee: www.MittvMitt.com
He is probley right about those numbers. I still dont get what people see in Obama,he seems to want to destroy the usa.
Obama is at negative 1.7 million jobs since taking office.
Sorry, Tea-baggers...Romney is not even close:
"And, as usual after recent recessions, businesses (and state and local governments) continued to shed jobs long after the recession ended and business began to turn up. The job slump continued for Obama’s first full year in office and finally hit bottom in February 2010. Since that bottom, the nation has added nearly 2.7 million jobs."
"According to employment data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, employment under Romney’s governorship went from 3,224,600 to 3,270,400. That’s an additional 45,800 jobs."
http://www.factcheck.org/2012/01/romneys-shaky-job-claims/
When your a used car salesman like Romney, you can about anything with a smile and the person on the receiving end wants to believe. He is a snake charmer.
Paul is the only one with the Electability and Organization to go Nationwide against Romney and Obama.
Latest CBS news poll shows Paul and Romneycare are TIED against Obama.
Paul's campaign has the enthusiasm, youth vote, independents, and Reagan Democrats needed to beat Obama.
Reagan Democrats??? I'm an Inde myself and even I find that hilarious, hahahaha
And for the record,,,,NONE of the current crop of Republican clowns will get my vote
He (Romney) has the best chance of winning against other Republicans to subsequently lose against Obama...............
Boy, that is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. Mo Romney with all of his money behind him and his slander machine is the "most likely Republican to be nominated by the RNC or whoever nominates the GOP candidate.
Mo Romney has two "fatal flaws" coming out of the gate. Firstly, Mo Romney has alienated his fellow Republican potential candidates with all of his lies and slander machine. Secondly, where "his supporters" get the "idea that he is the most possible candidate to be beat Obama is not so certain."
Mo Romney has "enough baggage to sink the U.S.S. George H. W. Bush, is the biggest flip-flopper since J. Kerry, is perceived as bein unlikable by most Americans, has so many fatal flip-flops and gaffes that are on Youtube. At best, Independents, Conservative, and Swing Voters may vote for Romney "as a possible alternative to Obama....altough everything that Mo ever did was to "the left of Barack."
I think that Obama has lots of money, a cache of ammunition that Romney "presents to him to be used againt himself." Lastly Obama is not all that disliked.
So I think that "Mo Romney is the most possible to be nominate among a field of unelectable Republican contenders."
When will the Republican Party wake up!
LTC RATTUS, USA, ret.
rattus68 - actually polls show that President Obama is liked very well. And, most polls show a total dislike of Congress. Congress is our biggest problem by far.
Thank you sir, for your service.
Seeking Sanity,
Thank you so very much for your insight and political acumen and kind words to me.
OBAMA 2012! ...... "all the way back to Washington!"
V/r,
LTC Rattus, USA, ret. USMA '89
"I'm Ben, I'm a person. I'm Jerry, I'm a person. Ben & Jerry's ice cream? Not a person."
seeking. you do know that Congress is comprised of the House (republican majority) and the Senate (democrat majority). i agree with you that Congress is the problem. Leader Reid will not allow any of the House passed job creation bills to come to a vote.
once the republicans reclaim the white house and the Senate later this year we will see a Congress and an Administration work together to begin the long process of recovering from 4 years of President Obama..
We don't need another wishy washy McCain.
We need a CIC not a CEO.
We need someone who will follow thru with some real cuts to Domestic and Foreign programs.
We need someone who will stand up the erosion of our rights.
That person is Ron Paul!!
And polls say he's TIED with Romneycare in a head to head with Obama.